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《五线谱》教学 建议 采用《首调唱名法》

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 楼主| 发表于 2016-9-24 09:44:03 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 人人能唱 于 2016-9-24 09:45 编辑
闲人 发表于 2016-9-4 21:42
咦!有进步了嘛,开始谦虚了?开始承认有固定调与首调选择,承认小调理论有12b345b6b71与67123456两 ...


这个孙新财,真是个老饭桶,连流动唱名法都不懂,还想研究调式, 我说西方有人发明了流动唱名法,才设计出了《字母谱》,孙新财说看不懂,“不知所云”。  我一眼就看出孙新财是真不懂,这是个老饭桶。还想当大师,真是丢人啊!

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黑白買是雜種!老兄換用黑白買這雜種的照片,當自己的照片,何為呀?  发表于 2016-9-24 15:04
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发表于 2016-9-24 09:58:00 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 mayasun 于 2016-9-24 15:18 编辑

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任何一句話
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>西方有人发明了流动唱名法,
>才设计出了《字母谱》,

何又謂之什麼"字母譜"呢?
"字母谱"是流动唱名法麼?

首調與固定調是一體的兩面
沒有人不是兩者皆會的
西洋的和聲學就必採首調

為什麼要发明了流动唱名法,
才能设计出《字母谱》呢?

是什麼"人"?
何時?
發明首調
發明"字母譜"的呢?

自言自語
自說自話
誰會知道你胡說些什麼呀?
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发表于 2016-9-24 15:07:32 | 只看该作者
黑白買是雜種!
老兄自甘隋落到
換用黑白買這雜種的照片,
當自己的照片,
何必呀?
何為呀?

這樣就算
重新文明做人,
有礼貌了麼?
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-9-24 18:09:22 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 人人能唱 于 2016-9-24 18:12 编辑
mayasun 发表于 2016-9-24 09:58
又謂之什麼"字母譜"呢?
"字母谱"是流动唱名法麼?

首調與固定調是一體的兩面
沒有人不是兩者皆會的
西洋的和聲學就必採首調

為什麼要发明了流动唱名法,
才能设计出《字母谱》呢?

是什麼"人"?
何時?
發明首調
發明"字母譜"的呢?


真是个老饭桶,给你说了西方人的流动唱名法乐谱《字母谱》,就到网上查一下,你就是拒不学习,自高自大的表现,你永远不会有进步。又想我来教你吗?


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发表于 2016-9-24 18:15:09 | 只看该作者
中人以下不可與言
何況無論:國文  音樂  邏輯  人品
都等而下下之

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甚至任何人
任何一句話
等而下下之人

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 楼主| 发表于 2016-9-24 18:17:49 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 人人能唱 于 2016-9-28 21:34 编辑
mayasun 发表于 2016-9-24 09:58
中人以下不可與言
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都等而下下之


上等孙新财你个老饭桶,你自以为英文好,你要学习《字母谱》的资料来了,我给你来个文英帖,叫你认个三天三夜。

As mentioned, by 1872, Tonic Sol-fa notation was no longer being applied to staff notation but had became a notational system in its own right.  Part of the reason for this was Curwen’s belief that his notation was sufficiently comprehensive that it could provide for all aspects of musical representation and therefore, for vocal and choral music, could effectively supplant the “Old [Staff] Notation”.
Pitch was notated using the first letters of the solmisation syllables together with vertical dash above or below note to indicate octave placement.  The only exception to “first letter” representation was the use of chromatic notes such as fe, se, ba, ta, etc. to indicate accidentals either in a minor mode or for modulation.  Rhythmic notation consisted of vertical “bar” lines—a double bar to indicate the end of a musical section, a barline to indicate main (strong) metrical divisions, half bar lines for subsidiary (medium) metrical divisions (as with the third beat in quadruple metre)—and standard punctuation marks—a colon to indicate beat divisions, a period for half-beat divisions, a comma for quarter-beat divisions, a rotated comma for third-beat division (i.e.for triplets),  with a dash to indicate the continuation of a note to a subsequent beat.  Rests were notated by a blank space preceded by a punctuation mark to indicate duration.  Slurring, where two or more notes are sung to a single word or syllable, was indicated by a horizontal line place below the notation. The following example indicates these notational elements in the first two phrases of a well-known chorale melody.

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Tonic Sol-fa notation是首調 你個雜種黑白買連抄書也不會麼!  发表于 2016-9-24 18:28
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-9-24 18:19:33 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 人人能唱 于 2016-9-26 07:23 编辑

mayasun 发表于 2016-9-24 18:15
何又謂之什麼"字母譜"呢?
"字母谱"是流动唱名法麼?

首調與固定調是一體的兩面
沒有人不是兩者皆會的
西洋的和聲學就必採首調

為什麼要发明了流动唱名法,
才能设计出《字母谱》呢?

是什麼"人"?
何時?
發明首調
發明"字母譜"的呢?


上等老饭桶孙新财,你认得吗?你音乐大师啊!看完了给我说,是什么资料?

Many Western-trained musicians are familiar with the historical development of staff notation. However, as Scholes (1963, p.696) points out, “our present universal notation has ‘grown up’ rather than been designed, and that, moreover, its main features were fixed at a period when music was merely melodic and in other respects enormously simpler than at present. Musicians generally are so accustomed to it that they do note stop to reflect upon its defects…”. It is the serendipitous nature of its evolution that has created many problems for the teaching and learning of staff notation. The spatial representation of the two principle dimensions of music—rhythm and pitch—requires a complex system of symbols firstly to represent rhythm on the horizontal plane and secondly use of the same symbols on the vertical plane to indicate absolute pitch. In addition, there are other aspects of notation—dynamics, tempo, accentuation, etc.—that result in a highly complex visual representation of music which, particularly for the young learner, makes the acquiring of music literacy a long and often arduous process. Moreover, there is a need to have an understanding of the theory of music—scale construction, key signatures, time signatures, etc.—in order to decipher the meaning of many additional symbols that relate to the tonal and rhythmic characteristics of a musical work. Scholes (1963, p.696) points out that there have been many “bold attempts…made to reform the staff notation but they have invariably failed and probably always will do so until a change in the whole musical system brings about an unavoidable corresponding change in the methods of representing music on paper”. Nevertheless he concludes with the comment that “The only reformed notations that up to the present have ever established themselves have been certain notations for choral music. The chief of these [is]…Tonic Sol-fa.” (p.697).
From a contemporary perspective, Curwen notation has several inherent advantages over staff notation for choral singing. Firstly, both the pitch and the rhythmic dimensions of melody are contained within a “single cell” as opposed to staff notation where two dimensions—vertical and horizontal—are required for the representation of melody. Although it may be argued that the vertical representation of pitch is a useful way of visualising its relate pitch position, its addition to the left to right horizontal progression of rhythm (which is common to both staff and Tonic Sol-fa)—particularly with leger lines—often makes the notational “spread” too wide for immediate visual perception. Another advantage, particularly in certain developing countries, is alluded to by Jorgensen (1994)—in countries where the written language is based on the Roman alphabet (which is also the means for representing pitch in the Curwen method), people are already familiar with alphabetical letters. This also represents a distinct advantage over the two-dimensional system of staff lines and spaces for pitch and of note and rest shapes for rhythm. Moreover, Curwen notation does not require any significant knowledge of music theory—once an understanding of pitch and rhythmic notation is achieved, no other “interpretive” information (such as a knowledge of time or key signatures) is required for realising the notation.

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連是否文言文都不會分呢!抄兩段英文就想冒充雜種黑白買了麼?  发表于 2016-9-24 18:50
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发表于 2016-9-24 18:23:41 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 mayasun 于 2016-9-24 19:12 编辑

中人以下不可與言
何況無論:國文  音樂  邏輯  人品
都等而下下之聽不懂
我人甚至任何人
任何一句話
等而下下之人

您老狗嘴裡長不出象牙來
你老連是否文言文都還不會分呢
抄幾段英文
就能冒充黑白買這雜種了麼!

字母譜與首調
何嘗就有任何絕對關聯性呀?
何須要有首調
才有字母譜呀?
盡是外行話

連<律學>p113所載
曾侯以編鐘是四聲體系都不知道
只看了幾頁三分損益法
只懂得五個階名......
就懂律學了麼?
還大言不慚一脫肛就賣弄律學呢!

連"調"與"律"無關都不知道的外行人
-----大小"調"豈必屬於什麼"律"呀?
連何謂首調?何謂固定調?都不知道的外行人
連工尺譜與民樂原是多是固定調都不知道的外行人
連七工尺字調源自28調都不知道的外行人
連古樂為四聲音階都不知道的外行人
連音樂術語多為拉丁文都還不知道的外行人
-----還英文呢!
連調與調式有何區別?音階與調式有何區別?都還不知道的外行人
誤以為有五聲音階就有五聲調式的外行人
連理論是否正確?只和與事實是否相符?有關
與多少人相信?什麼人相信?相信多久?盡皆無關的外行人......
有什麼條件
來跟人家討論什麼基本樂理呀?

連宋大叔的標題
您老都硬要汙辱他"狠毒"呢?
無論多"狠毒"
有閣下滿腹髒水的千萬分之一麼?


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 楼主| 发表于 2016-9-24 19:34:02 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 人人能唱 于 2016-9-24 21:31 编辑
mayasun 发表于 2016-9-24 18:23
中人以下不可與言
何況無論:國文  音樂  邏輯  人品
都等而下下之聽不懂

高级老饭桶孙新财,你英文不懂就不懂吧,这个帖是我叫人帮发的,懂英文人发的,你不要假充内行了,

你不懂流动唱名法,又不懂五度相生法,还想做调式大师,你是梦里卖牛!
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发表于 2016-9-24 20:03:35 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 mayasun 于 2016-9-24 20:12 编辑

>这个帖是我叫
>懂英文的人,帮发的,

什麼!不懂英文也就罷了!
連英文帖也須要懂英文的人帮发麼?
連上網翻譯都不會麼?

既連看都沒看過
也就難怪文不對題了

>你不懂流动唱名法,
>又不懂五度相生法,
>还想做调式大师,

什麼!
你懂流动唱名法?
若然何以又多次硬說
12 b345b6b71竟是固定調呢?
怎麼個"固定"法呀?

僅看了<律學>頭幾頁的五度相生法,
就能作大师了麼?

若然閣下何以又滿腹髒水
滿腹髒水又何須
隨時隨地脫肛而出呢?

就算繼續外行裝個內行
也強過一脫肛而出
就自暴醜態麼!

我不奢望您老真"懂"律學
你只要能用一句話講出
五度律與純律有何不同?
我都願算你"看"過<律學>!

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你要我教你,别想了。自个看书去,如看过了,也就是个虚心的人。  发表于 2016-9-24 21:24
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